Facts and Friction

Facts and Friction

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Both of these two posts have prompted me to blog about the idea of there being dating or sex 'rules', something that really, really annoys me.

The first link (to this post) is about the three day rule - the notion that after a date or other encounter you should wait three days before contacting the other person involved, otherwise you'll run the risk of seeming too eager. I mean, expressing interest in someone you're meeting with because they (hopefully) interest you? What an awful idea, anyone would think that relationships formed through spontaneity and good communication!

I hate the idea of people playing games with each other just to make themselves feel they have an advantage. I was once criticised by a (completely platonic and probably my best) female friend for replying to a girl's texts too quickly. This really frustrated me, because obviously if that is how she thinks I should behave then there will be other girls who will agree with her, but to me deliberately taking a long time to reply to someone seems entirely pointless. I love the rapid interplay, the quick fire tête-à-tête that texting provides - the cheeky text sent while almost wincing because you know you could be being far too forward, but then the bold reply that makes that bravado worth it. If flirtatious exchanges like these took place over hours and hours they just wouldn't be the same. The tense atmosphere of anticipation would drift away and I'd become distracted. Rather than making her seem desirably elusive and aloof, I'd be far more likely to become much less interested.

While a bit of a wait before initially contacting someone does build suspense and anticipation (which is great, I'm not saying that everyone should communicate instantly and constantly!) what really annoys me about this rule is people's blind faith in there being a set period of time that will be applicable to every situation. Why anyone would let their relationships be determined by rules bandied about by others is beyond me. Every situation, every person and every (possibly potential) relationship is different, so the idea of there being an optimum time to wait before contacting someone seems ludicrous. I've never noticed anyone using this on me, but if I did I'd be struck by their lack of confidence in their own actions, as well as their desire to stick to conventions - not at all hot, and it certainly wouldn't give them any sense of intrigue.

The third date rule is also infuriating. This is the idea that by not immediately sleeping with someone, by waiting until at least the third date you will retain guys interest and encourage a relationship to develop rather than have the first date form a one night stand. While I can see more logic in this idea than the three day rule, it's still frustrating, because again it is removing spontaneity from people's actions.

If I was dating with the intention of finding a partner and I immediately hit it off with someone, we spent the evening flirting shamelessly and then the night fucking equally shamelessly I would seriously consider ending my search - the chemistry and attraction would have been obvious because we acted according to instincts and desires, not some hackneyed old 'rule'. Now, if I had met the same girl, and we had shared as wonderful a chemistry but not slept together then I would obviously still be interested in her, but I would go home feeling slightly less brilliant about the whole thing. Other people's opinions and feelings can be hard to gauge, but relentless flirting then being dragged into bed behind them is a pretty strong indicator of absolute interest.

I also don't like the touch of morality to this rule. It's the 21st century, women and girls really do not need to subscribe to any conventions set by society before they sleep with someone. If the situation is right and both partners feel the same way then having sex on the first date does not make anyone a lesser person than if they wait for 1, 2, 3 or any other amount of meetings before they have have sex with each other.

I treat my relationships with everyone with the view that I will be open and communicative with them. For me, this helps avoid drama and angst and results in really good relations. I think my strong belief in this way of doing things is what makes me so opposed to relying on rules and conventions that are more concerned with trying to second guess what other people are thinking than actually let them know what you yourself are thinking.

10 comments:

Lilly said...

I'm so glad to hear that at least one male doesn't subscribe to this whacko "rule"

I think it's fucking ridiculous, as well. Why wait? Why make the other think, even for a day, that you're not interested? It doesn't accomplish anything but make the other insecure.

Helga Hansen said...

Okay, so here's the deal... I'm over 20 years older than you, but isn't it funny how things haven't changed? Twenty years ago, we had similar "rules", and I remember that "third date" rule quite well. It could be for a lot of reasons, but the main one for me was that if you slept with a bloke on the first date, you were no better than a slapper. And while it may not seem important today, having a reputation as a "loose woman" back in those days did matter, especially if you were hoping to meet a nice guy.

I have it on first hand authority that men talk amongst themselves... and before you know it, you have a rep as easy pickings, and perversely, while some men aren't averse to shagging their way through life, they quite like it if their girlfriend/wife is less experienced on the sexual front!

I would admire someone who slept with me on the first date for not being concern with any of those moral notions, but I imagine some people would not approve of that behaviour because of their own opinions on what is right and wrong.

I've heard a lot about the guys talking amongst themselves thing, and while I haven't experienced any of that I can imagine it could happen.

It's a shame really isn't it? The degree to which people base their own actions not on how it will immediately affect themselves and their partner, but on what other people will think about it. A shame, but inevitable, although I do think things are getting better in this area.

nymph said...

I completely agree with you. But I'm not the typical woman. Oh well.

Amalthea said...

This one finally made me want to respond (while the post with the bed was tempting, I can't travel that far, hehe). I completely agree... though I have to say I have held out before... until the next night. It was actually hotter, BUT I only did that because I didn't REALLY like him. I just wanted to sleep with him, but didn't want to do it when 50 other people would see us leave together and know what we did. I made that clear, and he liked the secretive aspect, he felt it made it hot. It's the honesty about the emotions and desires that matter. Not the timeline or the rules. My current boyfriend wanted to wait so it would 'mean something'.... I honestly think that allowed me to have sex with him for a long time(almost a year!!!) without any emotional attachment and to keep from getting very involved. In fact... now I want to blog about that. I'll have to make a note to self.

Anonymous said...

I'm glad to hear about your view of throw all rules out the window & follow your instincts when it comes to dating. i went home with an intended one night stand four years ago, we got engaged within 7 months after that first night & have been married for two. what's that show about "rules"?

I could not agree more with you, an enjoyable read (even better that I agree with it hehe).

Unfortunately, I got the cold shoulder far too many times after sleeping with a guy on the first date or shortly afterwards - their loss though ;)

Now in a long term relationship in which we've had two kids, from the first night we figured out the attraction was mutual we've hardly spent a night apart (with only a few exceptions such as childbirth and him going on a couple of week long courses through work).

It's good to know that there are men like you out there, who aren't afraid of a female knowing what she wants and grabbing it with both hands.

I have to say my love, that I agree completely with you on this bull.

Life goes on without rules, and dating doesn't really have any either.

Poor us, look at what Cosmo has done.

♥la petite

Wilhelmina Wang said...

I can't remember the last time I went on an actual, properly-done 'date' and I don't consider that a bad thing.

I dislike those rules too but I end up imposing them on myself anyway just because 'everyone else does them' and I guess I just want to avoid being hurt or disappointed. Mostly, I'm very direct and honest and don't do any of this beating-about-the-bush business, but it's scared people off. So now, more often I do the 'wait to call/email' thing even if I really want to talk to the person, or 'pretend' to be less interested than I really am because I don't want to appear 'over eager.' Shame, but I'm a chicken, so there you go.

Hmm, in the words of my best guy/gay friend: "If you both like each other, what's the point in waiting?"

Aaron said...

Dude, I totally agree with you here. I always thought all these rules were stupid and trite and created by abject failures in the games of love, sex, and life.

Aaron
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